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My friend Stephen Boydstun comments:

Kurt, I've known happy people, enjoying being alive and loving, but without a thought for finding a purpose in life, indeed, not really getting what that idea is once they had got free of religion. An overall purpose to their conduct or a need to have a large long-time purpose(s) in place for themselves is foreign to them. Foreign, I can tell, just in the way that having a bucket-list for my life is foreign to me. When I wake in the morning I'm in my projects, setting my plans in continuation right from where I left off the day before. And it is enticing, day after day, year after year.

I concur with Rand that people do not automatically desire to live. And I think there is sense to saying that doing one's positive projects and one's enjoyments, and Rand's special-emphasis one also—choosing to think—are occasions of affirming life and in an organic way choosing to live. I suppose I could think of friends who are having a happy life, but no sense of a need for an overall organizing arc or purpose, as really setting continuing to live and have good things in life as their purpose though they don't know it or feel a lack for not knowing it. But that seems presumptuous, and I think it more likely the case, that I just need to question my common models of psychodynamics and models of good sort of human life in some respects (which is not far from Rand's models) in how widely they are the organization of happy people in the world. ln other words, people, good and happy ones, may have some pretty deep differences, even though we are fine and loving with each other.

Lastly, with Rand, I take the existential direct choice to live to be at least always in the background for all human beings. The boy on the bicycle in The Fountainhead is cast as being in an existential episode over continuing life, and I know that comes around in some, perhaps many, real lives.

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Kurt, here are my notes as I read your essay:

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"[W]e are born with certain values, which are experienced as felt needs (desires for food, love, stimulation, mastery of skills etc.). These unchosen needs are the foundation of any healthy value system."

We have unchosen, innate needs for sure, but what's an example of an innate human value?

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"Our earliest needs or innate values are first experienced from infancy as hungers."

I don’t synonymize needs with human values. Needs are metaphysical—i.e., are the given—while human values are epistemological—i.e., actively identified or passively absorbed from one's environment.

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"To demand a derivation is pure rationalism, unrelated to human nature […]"

What if that derivation is grounded in sense perception? Wouldn’t that be non-rationalistic?

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"At some level these are self-evident goods because they make us feel alive, and they make us feel alive because they tend, if pursued, to promote life."

Doesn’t that description of reducing feeling alive to promoting life render those activities as _not_ self-evident goods? In other words, it takes an epistemological act, such as reduction, to evidence the good.

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"The desire for effectiveness appears to be inborn and appears to be present even in the higher animals."

But aren’t there people who don’t desire for effectiveness? There are plenty of people content to be primarily consumers as opposed to producers.

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"Why should I choose to live […]"

John Paquette pointed out this error I also committed: “Should” invokes morality, but the choice to live is pre-moral. So instead of asking a moral question about a pre-moral issue, one should ask non-moral questions like those that are metaphysical or epistemological: "'Can I enjoy life? Is living worth the trouble?'" "'Can I get more out of this life than I put into it? Can I benefit from existence? Or is life actually hell? Is this world something I can love, or will I forever hate it? Do I love what life may offer, or do I despise the burdens life puts on me? I never made this world. Do I love it, or do I hate it? Would I enjoy making it better? Or is any such effort an admission of defeat in my battle for the life I wish for? Can I live on earth, or is heaven the only home I will accept without being angry?'"

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"But that claim is complicated by what seems to be the rationality or at least acceptability of choosing risky occupations such as lumberjacking or dangerous pursuits such as mountain climbing."

I would say that choosing risky occupations is rational if the risk is worth it for its promotion of one's life.

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"I am suggesting that since existence and identity are corollary concepts, to choose one is to choose the other."

Are you saying that to choose life is to also choose death? Or are you saying that to choose existence is to also choose identity? If the latter, what's the significance of choosing identity?

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"And the constituent activities of living form the identity of our being. To choose to live = choosing the constituent activities of living. This analysis seems to me to dissolve the dichotomy of survival versus flourishing that has bedeviled discussion of the Objectivist ethics for decades."

Can you elaborate how this "dissolves the dichotomy of survival versus flourishing"? I view flourishing as an instance—a species—of survival, namely that of surviving _well_. Is that still a dichotomy?

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"The existential choice to live is not the fundamental choice that human beings face. Our fundamental choice is an ongoing journey to lift up our life as felt valuers and incorporate it into a conceptual level of functioning without doing violence to either."

The choice to live is fundamental though because _every_ choice and action implies that choice to live (or not live). This fundamental implication cannot be said about "lift[ing] up our life as felt valuers and incorporate[ing] it into a conceptual level of functioning without doing violence to either."

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